I think after taking my ob/gyn rotation, I had huge respect for females.
Women do things willingly that men could never ever do. They have babies, which is enough in itself. Women also wax, pluck, pierce (OK, men pierce too, but there's no accounting for masochism), and wear high heels.
What do men do? Nada. Well, tattoos, I guess.
I've seen too many women in excruciating pain while their husbands/boyfriends looked on with total lack of understanding. Men are babies.
Completely agree, hah! I see women mobilizing a day after a C-section, and men being babies for a whole week after their laparascopic inguinal hernia repairs. Shame, apparently they do have genetically determined lower pain thresholds, or whatever.ReplyDelete
I love obs, partially because the strong women I met there, and of course because BABIES!!
Now I'm on Gynae, unfortunately enjoying it a little less enjoyable. Pap Smears and miscarriages and stuff are really not as inspiring... but the women are still strong.
I have tremendous respect for the women who endure labor; as a man, I will never know what that is like. But the point this article makes borders on misandry. Both genders have their struggles, and it is not for us to decide whose is more "impressive" or "difficult." For example, the burdens of war, violent crime, depression, and physical duress fall more heavily on the shoulders of men (who are more likely to die violent deaths, perish from suicide, have a shorter lifespan, work physically more dangerous jobs, and are placed in the most treacherous areas of combat zones). Men are much more likely to be jailed in our society as well (even for equivalent crimes). I think we need to move beyond the simplistic dichotomy of gender espoused in this post, and work toward egalitarianism, understanding, and cooperation between genders. This article is counterproductive toward all of those goals.ReplyDelete
Seriously? I don't think this was intended to be a comprehensive treatise on risks according to gender... just a shout out to women, mostly regarding childbirth. Take a chill.Delete
If a man posted a similar topic which reached the opposite conclusion (i.e. "women are useless bimbos"), he would be vilified. Sure, Fizzy's comments seem innocuous enough. But we live in a society that thinks it's okay to laugh about cutting a man's penis off on mainstream television: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKgwczruOSQ . This video demonstrates, on an extreme level, that it is sometimes socially acceptable to praise the accomplishments of women while marginalizing the struggles of men.Delete
I'm not saying that women don't deserve to celebrate their accomplishments, because childbirth is an impressive achievement. And if I were to be objective, I would say that despite the efforts of feminism over the past several decades, women still face discrimination and sexism that is much worse than what men experience. In short, patriarchy does still exist.
However, I am resolutely opposed to discourse that mocks or humiliates anyone on the basis of their gender, sexual orientation, race, et cetera. My conscience dictated that I write a response to this article (and it is why I write a reply to you now as well, even though I just worked for the last 12 hours and would rather be doing other things).
There is no reason to assert that "men are babies" and "do things willingly that men could never do." It would be more accurate .
I dream of a society that will raise its children up to be conscientious, ethical, open-minded, accepting global citizens -- people that take ownership in their communities, their personal relationships, and their government. Moving toward a healthier, more inclusive approach to gender equality is an essential component of that goal, in my eyes.
I'll leave you with one last thought: an article written in the Atlantic today (by a woman) on this very subject.
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It would be more accurate, and more constructive, simply to say that "childbirth is an incredible accomplishment that women go through." I think that is what Fizzy is getting at in her article and I agree wholeheartedly. That women can handle the extreme rigors of labor, is very impressive. I just don't see what men being "babies" has to do with any of that. You may think it is a superlative joke, but I disagree.
It was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I think calling it "an article" is a huge stretch. It's only 9 sentences long... far shorter that each of your rebuttal comments. I'm pretty sure it's unlikely to lead to anyone's penis being cut off.Delete
Men just don't have any sense of humor.
Wow, Anon 9:43 you rock. I am so greatful to my husbund for doing more childcare that requires driving (to/from school/activities), so I have more energy to tutor them at home. even though it is hard for me to balance to active little ones with a ton of academic assignments each, I can see that my husbund is more physically tired than I am. Here is to cooperation of both genders!ReplyDelete
Two words: Man cold. Ugh.ReplyDelete
Women rock, but do so men. Just because we pierce, pluck, wear high heels doesn't mean they don't endure other kinds of pain that I definitely could not, like lifting a lot more weight at the gym and whatnot.ReplyDelete
There is a u-tube video that shows a couple of guys that are given the experience of labor contractions. They are ready to quit at about 50% labor. They do stick it through to the end like true troopers (or idiots).ReplyDelete
Woot Girl Power Post!ReplyDelete
Oh honey, gay men do all of those things too. ;)ReplyDelete
(Well except have babies but that's not by choice.)
Since commenters seem to be super PC and very into equality, here is a Men's Rock (written by a woman)ReplyDelete
I think after working out in a gym, and just living in general, I have greater respect for men.
Men do things willingly that women could never ever do. They lift weights and eat whatever they want, which is enough in itself. Men also drink protein shakes, forgo their first name (yo, Smith! Bro! Dude!), and have to wear collared shirts and TIES (OK, women wear ties too, but there's no accounting for reality here,) and wear suits in the summer.
What do women do? Nada. Well, mani/pedis, I guess.(They are really ticklish and sitting there for an hour in a massage chair is terribly hard)
I've seen too many men in excruciating stress while their wives/girlfriends looked on with total lack of understanding. Women are delicate creatures.
Well, I hope you're happy. Because of this article, now some poor woman's boob is going to be cut off on TV.Delete
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I used to enjoy reading your blog. After seeing this, I won't be coming back.ReplyDelete
Please tell me that you're trolling. While I can see that you're trying to get on the whole "man-cold" bandwagon, saying that women are tougher and handle things better than men while men are useless is taking it a bit too far into misandry territory. And your response to Anonymous up top (I am a different anonymous) smacks of a 50s/MadMen type response from an old-school guy who complains that women "just don't get" jokes about what women are good for. Anon 1 had a good point and you just completely just brushed it off. Wow...just, wow. I get that this is your blog, and all, but lately it seems as though all of your responses to people that disagree with you is to denigrate them.ReplyDelete
And for the record, I am a female, ethnic visible minority who gets a lot of misogynistic/racist comments from men, and usually just shrug them off as amusing holdovers from another era.
I don't know whether you want to get into a competition about pain tolerance, especially from a medical point of view. I have had female residents state to the male staff (when I was the female senior resident) that they couldn't come in once a month, every month because of menstrual cramps (to which my staff squirmed and said OK, whereas I was along the lines of "have you looked into NSAIDs and maybe OCPs?").ReplyDelete
Also, in my Internal Medicine experience, it is the women that always come in for their Fibromyalgia, IBS, Chronic Lyme Disease and Chronic Fatigue (all "functional" disorders), whereas the guys are the ones working through the regular abdominal pain they have from pancreatic cancer, working their way (in a manual labour job) through their ischemic chest pains, and whatnot because they don't want to go to the doctor. Again, I speak as a female MD, and am pointing out these examples not to denigrate women (because there is a whole lot that we put up with, including monthly menstrual cramps which can be hell), but that is no reason to state that we are superior to men. Some guys are stoic and amazing, other guys are d-bags, and others are whiny crybabies. Just like some women are stoic and amazing, others are whiny crybabies, and others need to prove their superiority by putting down entire groups of people.
Seriously, chill out. It was a JOKE, which most people did realize. And I responded to the anonymous commenter that way because he wrote a huge essay to something that was quite clearly an offhand joke. The blog is a humor blog, but if you look in the comments, you'd see that often someone overreacts to a joke I made. If I made an effort to reply seriously to everyone who overreacted to one of my posts about an issue I don't even really care about, it would take away from time I spend with my kids or doing other things that are important to me.Delete
For the record, I don't genuinely believe that all men can't tolerate pain (or are all babies or all have no sense of humor) or have any desire to argue that. I'd think any broad generalization like that is clearly meant to be tongue-in-cheek, like when I said all old people are slow as ass at the grocery store. I wrote before in the past that my husband had worse pain from his kidney stones than I did from my medicated labor.