We had a medical student last month, Brad. He was rotating with us from a nearby DO program, which seems kind of weird because we don't accept DOs into my residency program so I'm not sure what the benefit to rotating at a program you know won't take you is, but I'm also not sure when to recommend a growing rod implant, so there's a lot out there I don't know.
Anyway, Brad was a third year and normally they don't rotate through ortho, so he got special permission from his school to rotate with us so I'm guessing it was because he really wanted to be a pod. Although I don't know if he didn't actually want to be a pod, he decided midway through that he didn't want to be a pod, or if he just knew that he wasn't getting in to our program and therefore didn't want to be a pod here, but he really didn't make much of an effort to be nice. If we were all at OrthoBreakfast, he would sit two seats over and not talk to anyone. I tried starting a conversation with him once walking from Point A to Point B, and he walked ahead of me after a while so that was the end of that.
I didn't really have much contact with Brad because I've been hanging out in Hand Land, but this other resident Paul hated Brad. His big argument was that Brad sucked in the OR and he was lazy in general. The OR thing I'm pretty understanding of, although I think after your first surgery week, you could figure out that if someone's tying knots, you should cut them. Hell, if your scrub nurse is nice, he'll hand you the stupid scissors when it looks like someone's about to start suturing, so this really isn't rocket science. But I'm pretty sympathetic to this sort of thing because I know what it's like to stand around and feel useless.
As for the laziness though, the rule is, if you operate on a patient, you round on him/her. Brad did not get this rule. I personally do not think it's all that hard to figure out, but Brad never did it. Paul told him at least six times that he had to round on his patients, but he never actually did it. And that's actually kind of obnoxious because it shows that you're paying attention and you care enough about your patients to see how they do afterwards. And if you want to do ortho, then you have to know how to manage postop ortho patients. You have to look out for the POD#2 hemoglobin drop in total joint patients, you have to make sure everyone's weightbearing status is being observed, and you have to make sure your incisions look good. This really isn't rocket science, but it takes a while to get used to how things are going to be after surgery and what to look out for. You want to know how much swelling is normal and how much erythema you can have before we worry about infection. And really, if a resident asks you to do something, you freaking do it.
My experience with Brad was limited to Friday night, when I walked into the OR and Brad was walking out.
Me: We're going to be doing a hemi in here, if you want to stick around.
Brad: I'm on vacation now.
Me: Oh. That's nice.
Brad: Yeah, two weeks off.
Me: Enjoy.
He left, the scrub nurse asked me if Brad was going to be back for the next case, I said no, and the circulating nurse said "Thank G-d!"
Like I said, Brad was not known for his operating prowess.
Anyway, as a final act of laziness, Brad never told anyone besides me that it was his last day on the rotation. So for Monday, the chief left Brad's assignment on the bone phone.
Me: You don't have to schedule something for Brad anymore. Friday was his last day.
Chief: Well, it was nice of him to tell me.
Resident: He was one of the worst med students we've ever had. We need to give him a bad evaluation. Something really terrible, but not so bad that he needs to rotate with us again.
Chief: I'll do that.
I guess on the plus side, since we don't take DOs at my program, Brad really didn't blow his chances here in that regard. I hope he decided to do something else though, because if not, this eval is going to look really bad on his application.
We just had a handful of bad med students rotate through our teaching clinic. My favorite was the one who showed up late and asked me "would it be cool" it he jumped in on the annual physical being done by the attending. "No it would not be cool", I told him. and instructed him to wait for the attending to exit the room.
ReplyDeleteBecause, after all, it is all about his learning, not about the patient.
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ReplyDeleteAnd if you want to do ortho, then you have to know how to manage postop ortho patients.
HAhahahhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
inb4 pre-DO student whining
ReplyDeleteI'm wondering, why doesn't your program take DOs? Are they not allowed to apply or are they simply never selected? I thought they could apply to all residencies.
ReplyDeleteThey may send their application wherever they feel like. They may not get an interview or be ranked depending on the program's preferences.
DeleteBrad doesn't sound like a nice person. I somewhat relate, though.
ReplyDeleteIn Quebec, Canada, our system is a little different. Still, as a fifth year med student, I have to do ortho as a mandatory surgical optional rotation (yea, that's the one I got randomly) and I'll be doing it at the very end of the year. That means I'll have already been accepted in my residency (which has -nothing- to do with surgery, bones or anything close to these) and that I will not even care if I get a bad evaluation.
I know we're supposed to be curious about everything as medical students, but I just feel like I have limits to my brain, and truly I have no intention of learning stuff just for the heck of forgetting all about it, forever, two weeks later.
I'm pretty sure my ortho residents will feel just like you. I'll be lazy and uninsterested. But hey, I'm a nicer guy than Brad, I'll talk with them in the hallways if we get to walk together!
Since when do orthos care--or know how to--manage their own patients?
ReplyDeleteDidn't you know orthos can not only operate but are also the superior at medical management too!
DeleteThis is hilarious. I'm on surgery right now as a med student and I constantly feel like i have no idea what the hell I'm doing. But at least I'm not this guy! hahaha.
ReplyDeletePlease don't judge all DO's by this lazy student. I'm a DO and worked my tail off on my Ortho rotation. Now I'm in Pm&R and am grateful for all the experience.
ReplyDeleteJust out of curiosity did he start out standoffish and lazy or did it occur as he realized that no matter how good he performed your program would never even consider him do to being a lowly DO?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I'm not going to comment on ortho..
ReplyDeleteBut.... My worst med student was not able to print out info I needed for the resus coming in... and when said resus (the only one he'd have a chance to witness) arrived he said 'bye, we have hours to stick to these days'.
Truth be told, as a DO student, if I contacted a program looking to do an away/audition/sub-I and they agreed without telling me I had no chance of matching, you had better believe I would be a prickly character.
ReplyDeleteNot suggesting that is what happened of course, just saying.
Do those things actually happen? Are DOs not considered for some programs simply because they are DOs?
DeleteYes. Believe it or not but bias exists in all aspects of life...
DeleteYes. "Some programs" are usually already highly competitive MD-affiliated programs (ortho, rad onc, derm etc.).
DeleteSucks this dude was a DO student. As a DO MSIV I bust my ass in every rotation I am in, because I WANT to learn as much as possible. And being nice just makes my day & everyone else's so much smoother...
ReplyDeleteSomething must have had happened... No one goes through their school's crazy-ass system of getting "special permissions" to just slack off and be rude in a specialty they wish for. Even if he found out his slim chance of getting into your program, there are DOs that break through the ever-diminishing glass ceiling for certain specialties with enough hard work and connections. Not saying the way he acted was in any way OK, but his actions strike me as someone who went through some personal shit - whether it be from your program or from his personal life.
... there are always two sides to the story, I guess.
or maybe he was just an INTJ. in any case, this post came off as rather catty
ReplyDeleteI think the issue is more that this guy is a lazy tool than he is a DO. I think the point of the post was lost due to your bias. Should I look down on all docs who didn't train at the same Ivy schools I did? No, a doctor is a doctor and we need less inter-physician bickering if we all (MD or DO) are to survive.
ReplyDeleteOrthochick said nothing negative about DOs, just about a student who happened to be one.
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